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[JudgementDay1234]

This is the reality and fact on the ground. Eritrea can't entertain to see bipolar pm's pp-shifta-tplf alliances that will eventually target eritrea and become a liability to eritrea.

[Tiago]

What makes you think FANO is any different from TPLF or PP when it comes to Eritrea???
ፋኖ ወያኔና ትግሬ አንድ አይደሉም ብሎ የሚጃጃል ቡድን ነው so it is likely to stand against Eritrea because FANO stupidly believes the average ትግሬ is a reliable Ethiopian citizen.

FANO has not rid the amhara region of ትግሬ ,even those who reside in desie/bahir dar and gonder and openly support TPLF.

Personally,I think Eritrea should stay out of it as FANO is a bad risk too.

[Agazi General]

Waw my tegaru brazer tarik aka judgementday1234 aka tog wajale aka wedi aka union wishye, is hoping 2 incite z wars in ethio and Eritrea

[Noble Amhara]

Aren't you gurage?

How many Tigray have to be killed and massacred to make you happy?

A fair and democratic Ethiopia is not a tribal state learn from the bible treat others how you wish to be treated and learn from France Germany Britian Canada etc

Advocating for death and tribal killings will make it a legal act across Ethiopia. While the rest of the world develops and goes to the moon creates AI and modernizes here you have diaspora calling for endless tribal war.

What makes you think FANO is any different from TPLF or PP when it comes to Eritrea???
ፋኖ ወያኔና ትግሬ አንድ አይደሉም ብሎ የሚጃጃል ቡድን ነው so it is likely to stand against Eritrea because FANO stupidly believes the average ትግሬ is a reliable Ethiopian citizen.

FANO has not rid the amhara region of ትግሬ ,even those who reside in desie/bahir dar and gonder and openly support TPLF.

Personally,I think Eritrea should stay out of it as FANO is a bad risk too.

[union]

Stupid ascari

How are you going to do that with out FANO. You know you are not fighters, you have never won a single war ever

[Abere]

This is NOT for the sake of the survival of Ethiopia, this is for the sake of the survival of individual human beings - Ethnic/Tribal Federalism Must Be Abolished.

I could not tell you the reaction I got from an American who asked me what kind of Ethiopia followed. As I told him with a hypothetical example if the the U.S. were like as State (Region) of Hispanic, State (Region of) Black, State (Region) of White, etc. He cut me off and loudly reacted that is RACISM! I replied back, yes it is pure Racism. This is how Ethiopia has been harassed and certain group(s) have been target of genocide. Ethiopia being State of Tigre, State of Oromo, State of Adere, State of Sidama, State Afar, State of Somalia, etc. cr@p is pure racist and a free way to genocide, not a path to development and peace. The cr@p beher beherseboch is not going to put bread on the table, but knife to butcher one another. It is stupid not to learn from what happened to Woyane, the mama rat of tribalism. It should be never again. Demolish ethnic federalism and flush dedeb De'de'bit sh!t down the toilet - it has done more than enough damage.

Historical enemies of Ethiopia are using this sh!t ethnic/tribalism cr@p.

[Sadacha Macca]

Abere,

Comparing America to Ethiopia is comparing oranges and apples; it's pointless. The two places are entirely different and cannot be compared.
Is the federalist system perfect? Of course not, the systems before failed Ethiopia too and were far from perfect.
This system is built to assure groups get self determination, and can rule themselves, while meeting at the centre to have shared rule.
For one, I will tell you straight up: WE Oromos will not accept non-oromo rule of oromia, the same way amara's are now fighting because of the ''big bad ''oromummaa ''gallas ruling everyone'', and fighting hard to keep welkait and raya, because they see it as amara lands; while some of their fans get on here and say ''it belongs to us all,'' while at the same time saying ''it's amara lands only.'' Do you not see the double standards there?
They want us all to fight tplf/tigray for them, so that they can keep welkait, while telling us that it only belongs to amaras; why not let the tigrayans live there then and make it an autonomous welkait state or belong to amara, with rights for them to live there,? Instead, they cleansed the area, as their own militia members said on videos, ''only amara's.''


Corruption taints this system, like it did to the systems before, but that is more because of human nature, and less because of federalism.
Centralized power, in the hands of a few men, who ruined the nation, messed ethiopia up in the past, is messing it up now, and will do it in the future even IF there were no federalism/or a desire for it.

[Abere]

Well, you cannot get it both ways: Talking about Western Democracy as ideal model, yet scamming toward another malicious end does not work. There is no significant socio-economic difference among ethnic groups in Ethiopia. The relation between Amhara peasants and Oromo peasants and other alike were not like the relation between enslaved Black and their White slave owners. Had the reverse happened in Ethiopia at the degree and intensity, I could not imagine what would the earth handle.

The chief OLF figure Abiy Ahmed ascended to power due to the support and blessing of the Amhara mass, without OLF firing a single shot, it was not due to Queroo or OLF war victory. The Amhara mass only believes in equality and peaceful coexistence. However, the lazy and hateful OLF fall back to its tribalist stone age practice - that is why tribalism cannot be treated but should eliminated. Today, Orommuma infected zealots are saying "Kegna" tomorrow another tribe will do the same, and Oromo will pay heavy price just Tigres did. So, it is an ideal solution to demolish this cr@p; and it will certainly be flushed down the toilet.

You may struggle to fend off Fano, but Fano is NOT going to stop from destroying tribalism from the face of Ethiopia.

Abere,

Comparing America to Ethiopia is comparing oranges and apples; it's pointless. The two places are entirely different and cannot be compared.
Is the federalist system perfect? Of course not, the systems before failed Ethiopia too and were far from perfect.
This system is built to assure groups get self determination, and can rule themselves, while meeting at the centre to have shared rule.
For one, I will tell you straight up: WE Oromos will not accept non-oromo rule of oromia, the same way amara's are now fighting because of the ''big bad ''oromummaa ''gallas ruling everyone'', and fighting hard to keep welkait and raya, because they see it as amara lands; while some of their fans get on here and say ''it belongs to us all,'' while at the same time saying ''it's amara lands only.'' Do you not see the double standards there?
They want us all to fight tplf/tigray for them, so that they can keep welkait, while telling us that it only belongs to amaras; why not let the tigrayans live there then and make it an autonomous welkait state or belong to amara, with rights for them to live there,? Instead, they cleansed the area, as their own militia members said on videos, ''only amara's.''


Corruption taints this system, like it did to the systems before, but that is more because of human nature, and less because of federalism.
Centralized power, in the hands of a few men, who ruined the nation, messed ethiopia up in the past, is messing it up now, and will do it in the future even IF there were no federalism/or a desire for it.

[Abere]

Sadacha,

What is wonderful about America is they moved on forgiving the tragic past. Today, you see Blacks and Whites doing great things together, embracing each other and standing for their country. I am constantly amazed by that especially when I see the Orommuma Kegna thugs back in Ethiopia stuck with fabricated lies, wasting money to build "Anole Breast Statute" or working their arse off to destroy the statute of King Menelik II, the father of Africa.

Honestly, you should be embarrassed.

[Sadacha Macca]

Well, you cannot get it both ways: Talking about Western Democracy as ideal model, yet scamming toward another malicious end does not work. There is no significant socio-economic difference among ethnic groups in Ethiopia. The relation between Amhara peasants and Oromo peasants and other alike were not like the relation between enslaved Black and their White slave owners. Had the reverse happened in Ethiopia at the degree and intensity, I could not imagine what would the earth handle.

The chief OLF figure Abiy Ahmed ascended to power due to the support and blessing of the Amhara mass, without OLF firing a single shot, it was not due to Queroo or OLF war victory. The Amhara mass only believes in equality and peaceful coexistence. However, the lazy and hateful OLF fall back to its tribalist stone age practice - that is why tribalism cannot be treated but should eliminated. Today, Orommuma infected zealots are saying "Kegna" tomorrow another tribe will do the same, and Oromo will pay heavy price just Tigres did. So, it is an ideal solution to demolish this cr@p; and it will certainly be flushed down the toilet.

You may struggle to fend off Fano, but Fano is NOT going to stop from destroying tribalism from the face of Ethiopia.

Abere,

Comparing America to Ethiopia is comparing oranges and apples; it's pointless. The two places are entirely different and cannot be compared.
Is the federalist system perfect? Of course not, the systems before failed Ethiopia too and were far from perfect.
This system is built to assure groups get self determination, and can rule themselves, while meeting at the centre to have shared rule.
For one, I will tell you straight up: WE Oromos will not accept non-oromo rule of oromia, the same way amara's are now fighting because of the ''big bad ''oromummaa ''gallas ruling everyone'', and fighting hard to keep welkait and raya, because they see it as amara lands; while some of their fans get on here and say ''it belongs to us all,'' while at the same time saying ''it's amara lands only.'' Do you not see the double standards there?
They want us all to fight tplf/tigray for them, so that they can keep welkait, while telling us that it only belongs to amaras; why not let the tigrayans live there then and make it an autonomous welkait state or belong to amara, with rights for them to live there,? Instead, they cleansed the area, as their own militia members said on videos, ''only amara's.''


Corruption taints this system, like it did to the systems before, but that is more because of human nature, and less because of federalism.
Centralized power, in the hands of a few men, who ruined the nation, messed ethiopia up in the past, is messing it up now, and will do it in the future even IF there were no federalism/or a desire for it.

There is NO one size fits all ''democracy model'' for the countries of the world, because every countries history is different. So what works for one country, may not work for another.
There is NO economic difference, sure, but there is difference in what we desire, we desire autonomy, to rule Oromia, Oromos ruling Oromia, without others interfering in that; while according the same respect to the other states that make up Ethiopia.
What Abiy and his party does, represents their own interests as elites, and not the interests of the Oromo masses.
They were created by tplf and shabia, remember, to subjugate their own people and to make sure the resources of oromia helped build/rebuild tigray and eritrea.

If what you said were true, then abiy wouldn't have been able to get power in oromia, he had to have support from the oromo masses, at least initially, and then the other groups such as the amaras. Qeerroo sparked the movement, and the others then joined, that's a known fact, forget OLF because I am not talking about them. Qeerroo is a movement of the people, by the people.
You beat ideas and concepts, with better ones, you cannot ''eliminate'' ideas with force, that's what haile selassie tried to do, mengistu tried to do, and those after them; and despite having all the white man's donated weapons and tanks; they failed and ran away in then end; their rules ended and now, they are no more than pages in history books.
Fano can win all they want in their lands, but I already know if they come to Oromia, they will not win unless they are able to negotiate with and get permission from the people; this is not the days of the empire, just know that.
Forget the statues and menelik, and etc, because those things do not matter ultimately, and every country has different perspectives on their heroes and leaders, some will hate them, some will love and idolize them; it is what it is. You have to accept that and move on.
Example: yohannes is a hero to tigrayans and some amaras maybe, but to the muslim oromos of wallo, and other muslims, he was a villain who tried to erase their faith. Same for other leaders.

[Abere]

It is true, there is democracy is relative and contextual. But, in all those societies who claim to be democratic, there are minimum essential elements - basic human rights, regardless of what language, religion or gender an individual human being belongs to. What kind of democratic federal system is fostering the massacre of innocent Amhara mass in Wollega. The world had watched how the Wolo Amhara people been slaughtered, displaced, robbed by Orommuma zealots. The same has happened in Ethiopia. What kind of sane person allows this butcher house (aka tribal kilil) continue eating people.
What we have in Ethiopia is not a democracy but a demon ethnic region, it got to k!ss the dust.

Also, please note the power struggle in the long past was not between people it is rivalries between power hungry individuals. There had never been people-to-people or civil war because of ethnicity.

Also, the story about Yohanne's act about Wolo is so exaggerated with the aim to play the religion card, just like the other fabricated story of "Anole Breast Stone". Although Yohannes did convert some, but the story is highly exaggerated. Some of the conversion was based on voluntary basis - there were Muslims in Tigray as were in Wolo.

In any case, all these made-up or exaggerated stories will never put food into the mouth of ordinary people nor they enlighten them with positive world view - they are all backward stuffs. We should dump these kinds of really really outlandish views and move on - Ethiopia without tribalism is the only salvation else you will enjoy the quagmire for a while before it is over.

There is NO one size fits all ''democracy model'' for the countries of the world, because every countries history is different. So what works for one country, may not work for another.
There is NO economic difference, sure, but there is difference in what we desire, we desire autonomy, to rule Oromia, Oromos ruling Oromia, without others interfering in that; while according the same respect to the other states that make up Ethiopia.
What Abiy and his party does, represents their own interests as elites, and not the interests of the Oromo masses.
They were created by tplf and shabia, remember, to subjugate their own people and to make sure the resources of oromia helped build/rebuild tigray and eritrea.

If what you said were true, then abiy wouldn't have been able to get power in oromia, he had to have support from the oromo masses, at least initially, and then the other groups such as the amaras. Qeerroo sparked the movement, and the others then joined, that's a known fact, forget OLF because I am not talking about them. Qeerroo is a movement of the people, by the people.
You beat ideas and concepts, with better ones, you cannot ''eliminate'' ideas with force, that's what haile selassie tried to do, mengistu tried to do, and those after them; and despite having all the white man's donated weapons and tanks; they failed and ran away in then end; their rules ended and now, they are no more than pages in history books.
Fano can win all they want in their lands, but I already know if they come to Oromia, they will not win unless they are able to negotiate with and get permission from the people; this is not the days of the empire, just know that.
Forget the statues and menelik, and etc, because those things do not matter ultimately, and every country has different perspectives on their heroes and leaders, some will hate them, some will love and idolize them; it is what it is. You have to accept that and move on.
Example: yohannes is a hero to tigrayans and some amaras maybe, but to the muslim oromos of wallo, and other muslims, he was a villain who tried to erase their faith. Same for other leaders.

[Sadacha Macca]

It is true, there is democracy is relative and contextual. But, in all those societies who claim to be democratic, there are minimum essential elements - basic human rights, regardless of what language, religion or gender an individual human being belongs to. What kind of democratic federal system is fostering the massacre of innocent Amhara mass in Wollega. The world had watched how the Wolo Amhara people been slaughtered, displaced, robbed by Orommuma zealots. The same has happened in Ethiopia. What kind of sane person allows this butcher house (aka tribal kilil) continue eating people.
What we have in Ethiopia is not a democracy but a demon ethnic region, it got to k!ss the dust.

Also, please note the power struggle in the long past was not between people it is rivalries between power hungry individuals. There had never been people-to-people or civil war because of ethnicity.

Also, the story about Yohanne's act about Wolo is so exaggerated with the aim to play the religion card, just like the other fabricated story of "Anole Breast Stone". Although Yohannes did convert some, but the story is highly exaggerated. Some of the conversion was based on voluntary basis - there were Muslims in Tigray as were in Wolo.

In any case, all these made-up or exaggerated stories will never put food into the mouth of ordinary people nor they enlighten them with positive world view - they are all backward stuffs. We should dump these kinds of really really outlandish views and move on - Ethiopia without tribalism is the only salvation else you will enjoy the quagmire for a while before it is over.

There is NO one size fits all ''democracy model'' for the countries of the world, because every countries history is different. So what works for one country, may not work for another.
There is NO economic difference, sure, but there is difference in what we desire, we desire autonomy, to rule Oromia, Oromos ruling Oromia, without others interfering in that; while according the same respect to the other states that make up Ethiopia.
What Abiy and his party does, represents their own interests as elites, and not the interests of the Oromo masses.
They were created by tplf and shabia, remember, to subjugate their own people and to make sure the resources of oromia helped build/rebuild tigray and eritrea.

If what you said were true, then abiy wouldn't have been able to get power in oromia, he had to have support from the oromo masses, at least initially, and then the other groups such as the amaras. Qeerroo sparked the movement, and the others then joined, that's a known fact, forget OLF because I am not talking about them. Qeerroo is a movement of the people, by the people.
You beat ideas and concepts, with better ones, you cannot ''eliminate'' ideas with force, that's what haile selassie tried to do, mengistu tried to do, and those after them; and despite having all the white man's donated weapons and tanks; they failed and ran away in then end; their rules ended and now, they are no more than pages in history books.
Fano can win all they want in their lands, but I already know if they come to Oromia, they will not win unless they are able to negotiate with and get permission from the people; this is not the days of the empire, just know that.
Forget the statues and menelik, and etc, because those things do not matter ultimately, and every country has different perspectives on their heroes and leaders, some will hate them, some will love and idolize them; it is what it is. You have to accept that and move on.
Example: yohannes is a hero to tigrayans and some amaras maybe, but to the muslim oromos of wallo, and other muslims, he was a villain who tried to erase their faith. Same for other leaders.

Those massacres, were carried out by the same government, who massacred Oromos, and was doing that since the 1990s, when they were imposed on the Oromo by the tplf and shabia.
It has nothing to do with federalism as a system of governance, and everything to do with the government who will do anything to maintain power.

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Regarding yohannes, the very fact that you try to downplay what occurred, when it's well known what he did there, shows that you are very much biased towards him, but if the other side were to downplay what occurred to what is assumed to be your people, the Amara's, you would be furious and be writing a book sized response in regards to that.

If tribalism (which is an European term meant to denigrate Africans) means identifying with your nation primarily, be it Amara, Oromo, etc, then it will never go away, even if you write a thousand books and furiously type up a storm here. Amara nationalism was created as a result of that, in fact, because NOBODY is going to struggle for their cause, whether it be just or oppressive, so the Amara's have to do it themselves.


Fano cannot do it, even if they had all the weapons of the world, because, as I've said before, you CANNOT defeat ideas with weapons, nor can you capture the hearts and minds of the masses with them. The super powers of today and those of the past attempted and failed at it, so yes, indeed, a group of militants from what is one of the poorest countries in the world, or the government of said country, will NOT fare any better.